From:	Jeff Clark
Sent:	Thursday, November 10, 2005 1:44 PM
To:	Andrew Ritchie (E-mail); Andy Broff (E-mail); Bill Larch (E-mail); Bob Campbell (E-mail); Brad Carter (E-mail); Cathy Devlin (E-mail); Greg Shank (E-mail); Jeff Clark (E-mail); Jim Gutzwiller (E-mail); Jim Matasic (E-mail); Jim Moritz (E-mail); Jim Rutherford (E-mail); Joan Evans (E-mail); John Haegelin (E-mail); Jose Gutierrez (E-mail); Keith Selby (E-mail); Ken Goshorn (E-mail); Mark Cooper (E-mail); Michael Minotti (E-mail); Mr. Chris Castanien (E-mail); Pat Fetterman (E-mail); Riccardo Conti (E-mail); Ron Buck (E-mail); Scott Richards (E-mail); Steve Kennedy (E-mail); Todd Dvorak (E-mail); Wim Van Dam (E-mail)
Subject:	T-12 Meeting Minutes of November 10 2005
Attendance
Riccardo Conti, Bob Campbell, Charlie Passut, Jim Moritz, John Haegelin, Scott Richards, Andy Broff, Jim Matasic, Jess Hamilton, Jim Rutherford, Mark Cooper, Jeff Clark, Elisa Santos, Mike Alessi, Ron Buck, Jim Gutzwiller, Greg Shank

Minutes of November 3, 2005
Approved as issued.

LTMS
The discussion opened regarding the k values for a multiple parameter test and whether or not to use the arithmetic means/std. devs or the LS means. Jim Rutherford restated that he is not comfortable using the arithmetic means. The labs were only asked to examine the impact of arithmetic means. It was stated by multiple participants that it may be pre-mature to establish LTMS until we know the impact of the operational review meeting. After some discussion, Bob Campbell (Richards second) moved that arithmetic means and std devs (for each oil) be used for the LTMS targets and that k values of +/- 1.800 for CLW, OC, PB, PB2 (severity adjustments only) using the transforms from Jim Rutherford's analysis (10/20/05 version). This motion failed to carry; the vote was 4 in favor, 4 against, and 2 waives. Then Bob Campbell moved (Shank second) that the k values be 1.800 for CLW, OC, PB, PB2, and 2.400 TRWL. This motion carried by 8-0-2. LTMS will be discussed in more detail after the operations portion of next week's meeting.

Next Meeting
November 16
8 am - 4 pm
SwRI

Action Items
Labs are to follow up with the air and egr system dp measurements.
Labs are to fill out the CO2 measurement survey that was supplied by Riccardo Conti.
Labs are to look at the effects of using test targets (arithmetic means and std deviations) from Jim Rutherford's analysis. Labs are to outlier screen data per Jim's method; and be prepared to discuss all of this at the Nov. 16th meeting.

Regards,

Jeff Clark
Staff Engineer
ASTM Test Monitoring Center
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Pittsburgh, PA 15206
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412-848-8843 (cell)
jac@astmtmc.cmu.edu