From:	Fetterman, Pat [Glen.Fetterman@Infineum.com]
Sent:	Tuesday, November 07, 2006 6:46 PM
To:	Armel Budd; Bill Buscher (E-mail); Bill Larch (E-mail); Campbell, Bob; Cathy Devlin; charlie.passut@aftonchemical.com; Dan Pridemore; Dick Patrick (E-mail); Glen Fetterman; Greg Miller; greg.shank@volvo.com; Hind Abi-Akar; James Gutzwiller; James Matasic (E-mail); Jeff Clark; Jesse Hamilton; Jim McGeehan; jim.moritz@intertek.com; Jim Rutherford; joe.franklin@intertek.com; John Haegelin; Keith Selby; kenneth.goshorn@volvo.com; Mark Cooper; Matt Urbanak (E-mail); Michael Minotti; Norbert Nann (E-mail); Riccardo Conti; Ron Buck; Scott Harold; Scott Richards (E-mail); Stacy Bond; Steve Kennedy; Warren Totten (E-mail); Wim Van Dam
Subject:	Unconfirmed minutes of our 10/30/06 teleconference.
Call participants -
Armel Budd; Bob Campbell; Pat Fetterman (Secretary); Greg Shank; Jim Gutzwiller; Jim Matasic; Jeff Clark; Jim Moritz; Jim Rutherford; John Haegelin; Mark Cooper (Chairman); Riccardo Conti; Ron Buck; Scott Richards; Andy Broff; Wim Van Dam

Call to Order, Greetings and Farewells -
The meeting was called to order shortly after 10:00 am EST by the new Chairman, Mark Cooper. 
The out-going chair, Wim Van Dam asked for a few minutes to address the group. Wim thanked everyone on the panel for all of their hard work and accomplishemnts over the past six years that he has chaired the Panel, and he noted that he is only leaving for a 2-3 year assignment, and he plans to return when he can.
Greg Shank offered his thanks as the OEM sponser for both all of Wim's hard work and dedication and Mark's agreement to accept the Chair position. He noted that, in his opinion, the Mack S.P. is the most pro-active Panel on HD tests. 
Mark noted that he plans to use teleconferences to conduct as much business as possible, and only hold face to face meetings when they are needed.

Approval of minutes -
The minutes of the June meeting were approved as corrected by the note from Bob Campbell regarding the initial timing setting for the T-11.

Business -
The meeting started with a discussion of developing limits in current tests to allow them to be used in earlier categories. The first topic was Phil Scinto's proposal for T-12 limits to predict T-9 and T-6 levels of performance. Since this proposal was not reviewed with the Mack Panel, we did not have ready access to the data. Since then, Jim Moritz has sent this proposal, made to the HDEOCP, to the Mack Panel members in a separate note.
Jeff Clark noted that he had sent out templates requesting T-10A vs T-11A and T-8/E vs T-11, and absolutely no data has been submitted.
Greg Shank noted that any limits developed must be data based, and that he had approached the supplier of the T-6 reference oil to see if more could be blended, and he was told that it is not possible. However, it may be possible to test a commercial product which would have been T-6 capable. A recommended way forward should come from this Panel, and Greg recommended that we should have a plan ready to present to the HDEOCP at their Dec. 5th meeting.
There was an extended discussion of whether the T-10 merit calculations need to be added to the T-12 test procedure, and Jeff Clark finally suggested that he will work the question off-line and report back to the group. However, he will  develop a form to report T-10  merits in the test report.
Pat Fetterman agreed to attach the Exit Criteria Ballot detailing the correlation to the minutes -  This ballot passed with 19 positive and 0 negatives.
This was followed by a discussion of the need for T-10A/T-11A/T-8/E/T-11 data. Greg noted that data had been requested for input and analysis by the end of July, and nothing has been forthcoming. Jeff noted that the TMC is out of the reference oil for the T-8/E, TMC1004-3, and it cannot be re-blended. He also noted that there is some TMC1004-3 available at the labs, but we aren’t sure how much. Labs are requested to advise Jeff as to how much TMC1004-3 is available, and Greg requested that labs share what's available and that it be removed as a reference oil for any other tests. He also noted that it may be possible to use TMC1005-2 as an alternate oil for T-8/E calibration testing.
This was followed by a discussion of extending T-8/E reference timing to allow for up to 600 hours of T-8A testing without impacting the 3000 hour calibration limit. After several minutes of discussion nearing consensus, Mark suggested that the final wording should be worked off-line. Jeff agreed and noted that he had several other minor issues which need to be addressed. He agreed to craft an e-mail ballot and send it to the Panel.
Jeff also noted that the supply of TMC820-2 has been depleted and TMC820-3 has been received by the TMC. Again, there was a lengthy discussion of the "best" way to move to the new oil batch - with a general consensus that we should roll in the new oil, review any data ASAP and re-address the issue in early 2007. This led to a motion by Greg Shank with a second from Bob Campbell that any reference oil test starting on or after 10/30/06 should use TMC820-3. The motion carried with no negatives and one waive.

Next Meeting -
Following a short discussion it was agreed that we will NOT hold a face to face meeting in Orlando in December, but we will target for another teleconference for the week of November 27th.
Greg Shank suggested that we should consider scheduling back to back meetings of the Mack, Caterpillar and Cummins Panels in January 2007 - in San Antonio.