From:	Fetterman, Pat [Glen.Fetterman@Infineum.com]
Sent:	Wednesday, August 20, 2008 1:50 PM
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Cc:	Finn, Rick; Haffner, Steven; Alessi, Mike
Subject:	Unconfirmed minutes of our August 20, 2008 teleconference.
Meeting attendees -
Ron Buck; Armel Budd; Bob Campbell; Kevin Carabell; Jeff Clark; Riccardo Conti; Mark Cooper; Pat Fetterman; Jesse Hamilton; Jim Matasic; Jim Moritz; Jim Rutherford; Greg Shank; Ben Webber; Ryan Johnson

Minutes - 
Meeting called to order by Chairman Mark Cooper at 10:32 am EDT.
The previously circulated minutes of the July 17 and August 6 teleconferences were approved as issued. (The missing 7/25 minutes will be circulated following this note.)

Mark C. noted that the industry letter describing our T-11 and T-12 hardware issues was submitted to the PAPTG - no feedback. Will discuss sending to HDEOCP chair later in meeting.

Update of status of pending reference test runs:
Riccardo Conti - XOM has a candidate running, next run will be a reference test.
Jim Matasic - LZ has no change - will run, but timing is still uncertain.
Jim Moritz - Intertek will run another reference. No timing, but could be soon.
Armel Budd - ISP engine is off stand - will need to reference, but probably not before early 2009.
Ben Webber - SwRI is still considering a run, but they have candidates running, and their stand is good until January 2009. 

Update on "old" rings:
Ron B. reported that, after hearing from all labs, there are now (3) sets of "old" rings left in industry for possible use in "split" tests.
(Later in the meeting, Armel Budd reported that ISP have a fourth set.)
There was a discussion about using the available T-10 rings for split testing, but a decision was held pending the decision about going forward with "split" tests.
There was a lengthy discussion regarding how to implement "split" testing which resulted in a "straw ballot" to determine the group's interest in proceeding with "split" tests. 
Ballot results were: (5) positive (2) negative (4) waive - a passing ballot, but far from consensus.
Following a short discussion, Jeff Clark indicated that he believes an information letter will be required to implement any changes in the procedure coming from the use of "split" tests. 

In an effort to break the existing logjam on moving forward, Greg Shank stated that, "Volvo Powertrain will not accept any candidate data for Volvo approval that is taken from a T-12 test starting on or after September 1, 2008 that has not been run in an engine that is referenced on "new" parts."

There was a discussion about possibly re-allocating unused rings for use in the T-11 test, and it was noted that the above declaration may result in more sets of "old" rings becoming available, and this could result in a better plan for tests using "split" ring sets. Greg also noted that this might allow us to look at another of the Matrix reference oils using "old" parts to see if the apparent shift holds across oil technologies.

In response to a question, Greg stated that we still do not have any more data on the dimensional analysis of the rings.

It was also noted that we will need to have a face to face meeting sometime well before the December ASTM meeting to work out all of issues the group has pending.

Greg noted that Volvo Powertrain will step up their plans to develop a new T-13 test to align with the two year timing of the current ring batch.

Mark Cooper, Jim Rutherford and Jeff Clark agreed to form a task group to work out the details of how we might proceed with "split" tests for discussion during our next teleconference which is scheduled for 10:30 am EDT on Thursday, August 28, 2008.

Finally, it was agreed that the same letter we sent to PAPTG will be sent to Jim McGeehan as Chairman of the HDEOCP.
Respectfully submitted,
Pat