From:	Fetterman, Pat [Glen.Fetterman@Infineum.com]
Sent:	Tuesday, November 24, 2009 12:58 PM
To:	a.budd@isp-institute.com; Bill Buscher (E-mail); Bill Larch; Brad Carter; Campbell, Bob; Cathy Devlin; charlie.passut@aftonchemical.com; Dan Pridemore; Dick Patrick (E-mail); Glen Fetterman; Greg Miiller; greg.shank@volvo.com; Hind Abi-Akar; James Gutzwiller; James Matasic (E-mail); Jeff Clark; Jesse Hamilton; Jim McGeehan; jim.moritz@intertek.com; Jim Rutherford; JingChun Xie; joe.franklin@intertek.com; John Haegelin; Keith Selby; kenneth.goshorn@volvo.com; Kevin Carabell; Mark Cooper; Matt Urbanak (E-mail); Norbert Nann (E-mail); Riccardo Conti; Ron Buck; Ryan Johnson; Scott Harold; Scott Richards (E-mail); Steve Kennedy; Tom Wingfield; Victor Kersey; WenTong Lu; Wim Van Dam; Zack Bishop
Cc:	brad.toole@volvo.com
Subject:	Unconfirmed minutes of the November 20. 2009 teleconference.

Attachments:	T12 Liner Data for Teleconference
Participants: Bob Campbell; Pat Fetterman; Greg Shank; Jim Gutzwiller; Jim Matasic; Jeff Clark; Jesse Hamilton; Jim Moritz; Jim Rutherford; Ken Goshorn; Mark Cooper; Riccardo Conti; Scott Richards; Zack Bishop; Ryan Johnson; Andy Broff; Chris Castanian; Kevin Carabell; Brad Carter; Allision Athey; Brad Toole.
Presentation material - the attached note was sent to the panel before the telecon.

Greg and Brad reviewed the data in the powerpoint presentation and noted that there are several reasons to believe that liners supplied by the new service parts suppl;ier, Kusalava will give different wear results compared to the previous liners supplied by Federal Mogul. 
In response to questions, Zack noted that, at current usage, the available liner supply will run out in mid-January, 2010; and Ken stated that one final resupply from FM will take about eight weeks.
Bob Campbell noted that the new liners do not appear very attractive, and there was no dissent from the group.
There was a discussion regarding both the mechanics of how to handle a pre-buy and the expected quality of new FM liners. Zack indicated that TEI could probably hold about 1/2 of the required pre-buy, if the labs fubded the rest. He also noted that FM liner supply has been fairly uniform with about a 20% rejection rate.
There was a brief side discussion regarding any impact on the T-8 test, and it was noted that the T-8 has already moved to Kusalava supplied liners. This resulted in a complaint from Jim Matasic regarding such a major change in parts with no notification to the Mack Panel. Greg noted that we should have known, but there is a problem with the parts control system that doesn't flag such changes. Bob C suggested adding "IND" to the kits supplied woth Kusalava-supplied liners.
There was another long discussion regarding both the expected usage rates and how long the T-11 and T-12 tests must remain vaible. This discussion finally lead to a motion by Greg to go forward with a pre-buy of Federal Mogul liners with the quantity to be determined during a subsequent teleconference on December 1st.
Zack agreed to review the 2007-2009 parts usage rates and test users are to input any known changes in testing rates to TEI. Greg noted that the tests must be kept alive through either end of 2010 or end of 2013. 
Chris Castanian noted that labs have stopped referencing the T-10A test, and there is a proposal to use the T-11A in its place. Since API CI-4 programs do not require a T-11, there is a desire to use the T-12 100 hr sampls as a surrogate for the T-10A sample. Greg replied that this issue should be added to the HDEOCP agenda for December 8th.
Jeff Clark reported that there have been two reference attempts with the "batch S" rings, and both have given mild results. One test referenced with a very mild result, and the second test was so mild that it never reached a 12 cSt viscosity increase.
Following a discussion of test details, Greg asked if there was an action item for this group. Jeff replied, "no this is just to make the panel aware".
The next teleconference is scheduled for 10:00 am, EST on Tuesday, December 1, 2009.
There being no further business, the telecon was adjourned.
Respectfully submitted, 
Pat